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Post by scylth on Mar 25, 2009 21:31:18 GMT -6
Anyone else think this kick blocking is getting out of hand? Most all of the kick blocks are coming off what I consider un-cofl like play. Whether it is lining up a LB in the neutral zone, or finding some other alignment, as I have, that lets someone free to block an extra point or field goal, it is not real football. And if you have a punt block as an audible, to use after setting up in punt return first, so that you get the in rush to block punts, well, I think that is un-cofl like.
I would suggest no manual movement of players, and no audibling, on kick block / return formations.
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Post by Vtech on Mar 25, 2009 21:36:55 GMT -6
i suggested this a couple seasons ago. the offense is helpless. i played in the biggest cheese fest tournies around and even they had a rule where you couldn't manually move anyone
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Post by work941 on Mar 25, 2009 21:51:12 GMT -6
I dunno if its that big a deal....I would have to say I've only had a couple extra points blocked and 1 punt blocked in my 4 seasons in the COFL. I understand its unrealistic with the EPs, but it does give you a glimmer of hope when someone is attempting FGs, which we all know are way to easy to make in this game. I haven't heard of to many FGs being blocked though. On the punts I don't really understand it, audibling to it is the same as coming out in punt block. Is it that much higher of a success rate than just coming out in punt block? I haven't done it enough to know really. If so that is kind of cheesy.
I'm cool either way.
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Post by Thurman Murman on Mar 25, 2009 22:05:00 GMT -6
You should just find a way to stop people from coming through like resetting your offensive line. On punts, just dont pick max coverage and you are good. one of the reasons people audible is so that if you come out in heavy max protect punt then they can just stay in it and get a bigger return out of it. thats the only real advantage with audibling that i have found. How about go in max protect and then just punt the ball out of bounds. That works.
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Post by adi21cards1 on Mar 25, 2009 22:08:47 GMT -6
damn so you guys allow all that. niiiiiice lol
what about my kick to the TE. is that also allowed? you know what im tlkn bout vtech what I did vs u n got it back. when I kick it towards the TE and it bounces back n my guy pounces on it 60% of the time
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Post by Thurman Murman on Mar 25, 2009 22:10:09 GMT -6
are you talking about onside kicks, adi?
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Post by adi21cards1 on Mar 25, 2009 22:19:02 GMT -6
no not onsides, im a master at those lol. im talking about when I kick it deep to the 50 and the TE will always come up and try to recover it and usually it passes by his feet and then its a footrace to the sidelines. its a pain to recover, with garvin I can get em back round 75-80 percent.
we gotta lab sometime ill show u all this crap, and u can use it when u play lobby gms
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Post by work941 on Mar 25, 2009 22:38:12 GMT -6
damn so you guys allow all that. niiiiiice lol what about my kick to the TE. is that also allowed? you know what im tlkn bout vtech what I did vs u n got it back. when I kick it towards the TE and it bounces back n my guy pounces on it 60% of the time You sound like more of a tool everytime you post...
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Post by hokie on Mar 25, 2009 22:49:10 GMT -6
damn so you guys allow all that. niiiiiice lol what about my kick to the TE. is that also allowed? you know what im tlkn bout vtech what I did vs u n got it back. when I kick it towards the TE and it bounces back n my guy pounces on it 60% of the time You sound like more of a tool everytime you post... agree. i have a feeling this league is going to turn into shit over the next few seasons if these are the type of guys we're getting.
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Post by adi21cards1 on Mar 25, 2009 22:58:52 GMT -6
im just learning all the rules. ill prolly play 1 season and be done. so dont worry
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Post by Coach P on Mar 25, 2009 22:59:46 GMT -6
The roll outs have begun
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Post by adi21cards1 on Mar 25, 2009 23:01:59 GMT -6
you guys dont have anything to worry about, if you dont like the way I play ill get out the league. fair?
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Post by Vtech on Mar 26, 2009 3:22:58 GMT -6
1. adi is a tool and a cheeseball
2. reseting your line on xp's won't matter, your shit still will be blocked if done right.
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Post by adi21cards1 on Mar 26, 2009 6:52:30 GMT -6
yup vtech thats true. like you said cheat or be cheated lol I can play straight though its not a problem.
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 8:10:41 GMT -6
LMAO, this is how BBG was initiated into the league. Don't worry BBG you are still on the cofl watch dog list.
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Post by Eberry on Mar 26, 2009 8:43:47 GMT -6
i vote for the audibling from regular punt return to punt block to be banned.
fg blocks are still once in a blue moon, but that punt block thing works every time.
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Post by Vtech on Mar 26, 2009 8:46:49 GMT -6
punt block doesn't work everytime, it's about as often as fg blocks.
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Post by Eberry on Mar 26, 2009 8:50:30 GMT -6
well then i must suck. cuz its worked 3 for 3 against me
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 9:09:19 GMT -6
Eberry quit trying to send 5 men downfield, you have to call the Tight Formation when you are punting. Also do not let the meter go all the way. I learned this from practice. It makes you decide either you want to protect or you want to send coverage.
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Post by adi21cards1 on Mar 26, 2009 9:50:24 GMT -6
damn vtech you rotted me out son lol. I wonder where you learned to puntblock HAHA
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Post by Eberry on Mar 26, 2009 10:33:20 GMT -6
i guess it doesnt matter anyways, i never kick a ball in bounds. guess im tight blocking from now on.
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Post by work941 on Mar 26, 2009 10:50:24 GMT -6
good point
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 10:59:18 GMT -6
It is very effective especially if you are kicking it out of bounds.
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Post by Eberry on Mar 26, 2009 11:51:44 GMT -6
what is? the punt block?
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 12:10:48 GMT -6
Punting not the block.
I see Scylth started this post so I guess someone most have blocked his punt and that made him mad, LMAO.
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 12:15:22 GMT -6
Its ironic because I blocked Rolle the other night for a TD and yesterday I got blocked by Work (What goes around comes around).
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Post by work941 on Mar 26, 2009 12:21:13 GMT -6
you were not in tight punt formation when I blocked yours, I wouldn't go after a punt if you were in tight formation.
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 12:25:02 GMT -6
"Work", I confused you with my second game. You still did the audible thing also (Not the ordinary method of going for a punt). I have done it, and I know several others in the league that do it.
It was Iwar that almost blocked me with the same tactic. I agree it may be getting out of hand. But I had this first done on me last season by Titansooners (OU) and he blocked me inside the 20 and ran it in for a TD.
I felt like if everyone else is going to do it and nothing is said then it must be OK. A ruling needs to be made soon on this. I didn't like it then, however I will use it also until it gets banned. Because whether people know it or not it can make a difference in a game.
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Post by djcali1914 on Mar 26, 2009 12:59:10 GMT -6
I have also seen a strange strategy used on FG's. Anyone wanna scrimmage? I would like to use this tactic in the lobby.....
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Post by scylth on Mar 26, 2009 13:17:34 GMT -6
No, DJ, I don't think I have ever had a punt blocked, that is not why I brought this up. I did have my punter takcled in the end zone when trying to punt from my own 2 yard line, but that is different.
The fact is, I have found a really good methong for blocking XPs and field goals. I do it a different way than I have seen most of the good kick blockers in the league do it, but I think it is cheesy.
How can we abide plays that we all know are illegal in football, like lining up in the neutral zone, or plays that we know are deliberately taking advantage of errors in the AI, like audibling to punt block or positioning our players just so and doing this just so, so that a guy comes clean up the middle, because the AI gets confused?
It is all cheesy, and it is not in the nature or spirit of football. It introduces absolute BS into the game, and will probably cost someone a greatly played game someday.
Why don't we just agree to ban manually moving players, or audibling, on place kicks and punts?
I would like someone to try defend these practices that we are doing to block kicks. I say it is contrary to the spirit of the league. Who can explain to me why I am wrong?
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