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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 9:57:55 GMT -6
until the season is complete.
In the time being I will be working on rankings/seeding for playoffs (as of right now) and figuring out who needs to be counted for as a TIE for all of their games (stanford, USF, etc).
I need you guys to make a huge effort to get this season completed on the right note. Contact info has been updated to include everyone's phone # aside from scylth, zzhadow, rowbo and fomblar (aka the old farts and canuck), but they check the boards nearly as frequently as I do, so don't be afraid to post in the correct thread (pcross) and ask for a game. Also, send them a message on here as well...that pop-up right when one logs on definitely grabs ones attention.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 9:59:40 GMT -6
oh yeah, if something is wrong with standings, then fix it...not my problem to reconcile the differences between games posted on the board and the leaguelineup.com site.
and for god's (and prez's) sake, enter your damn stats.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 10:18:08 GMT -6
So games that are not counting toward this season involve the following teams:
USC USF Stanford Northwestern Cincy
**Oregon & Arkansas--all games not played by the newbies will be counted as ties. Since they joined so late in the season, there is no way I'm going to penalize them for not getting all their scheduled games played.
For the rest of you...I'm actually a little more impressed than I was when I first started this thread. I didn't realize how many games were being held up by guys who weren't active. By my calculations, the games yet to be played by each division look like this:
Red Grange-12 Bronko Nagurski-10 Bobby Bowden-10 Steve Spurrier-14
Keep this in mind when the playoff seeding comes out. Obvs, with 46 games yet to be played A LOT can change from now until then...I'll do my best to keep up with the games being played so you have an accurate playoff picture.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 10:45:44 GMT -6
Playoff Picture (as of RIGHT NOW) looks like this: LVII Playoffs Knute Rockne Conference #1 Penn State* (8-2-2) hosting #8 Texas (3-3-4) #4 Nebraska (5-2-3) hosting #5 Boise State (7-3-2) #3 Ohio State (7-2-3) hosting #6 Notre Dame (4-2-3) #2 Arizona State* (5-1-4) hosting #7 Oklahoma (2-1-5) One the bubble: Oklahoma State (2-2-5) Michigan (4-5-3) Michigan State (1-4-2) Bear Bryant Conference#1 Auburn* (8-1-1) hosting #8 Mississippi State** (5-3-1) #4 Georgia***(5-2-1) hosting #5 Texas Christian***(5-2-3) #3 Florida State*** (5-2-2) hosting #6 Clemson (6-3-1) #2 Georgia Tech (6-2-1) hosting #7 Florida** (5-3-1) On the bubble: Texas A&M** (5-3-3) North Carolina (5-4-2) West Virginia (6-5)[/center] *Denotes Division Winner **Tiebreaker between UGA/FSU/TCU came down to best in-conference record (FSU 5-1, UGA 4-1, TCU 5-2) ***Tiebreaker between MSU/TAMU/FLA came down to best in-conference record (FLA 5-1, MSU 5-2, TAMU 5-3) Note that seeding is done by winning percentage. With all of the FFT's there is not right way to do this, so I will defer to the mindset that consistency is what sets this league apart and that's what Prez has always done seeding by, so it will continue to be done that way. This is why you see Clemson (6-3-1) behind a team like TCU (5-2-3) because 5/7 is a better winning percentage than 6/9. West Virginia and Michigan are also on the outside looking in for the same reason. A lot can change. OSU can leapfrog everyone in Rockne with a win over Nebraska and a PSU loss/tie to Michigan State; Nebraska could vault to #1 with 3 wins in the next 2 days and a PSU loss/tie to Michigan State; Oklahoma could jump all the way to #2 with a 3-0 record or better this weekend; FSU and Clemson are still alive for the Bowden Division Championship (and the #2 seed); TAMU and UNC could get in with a few wins and breaks going their way. So if you're not happy with the seedings right now, you still have time to make a difference! Also, I would like to congratulate the Louisiana State University Tigers on the only 13 game season. After finishing 6-7, Coach Rowbo has guaranteed himself a spot in the next season due to his commitment to the league. Despite his Canadian ways and obsession with the Detroit Lions, consider him to be a model citizen in this phenomenal league! Now go play them games!!!
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 15:51:57 GMT -6
Eberry...with nothing but respect for the way you have run the league thus far...I have to say that I am extremely disappointed with the way the playoffs and seedings have been done. When I started this season in this league I was looking forward to taking over the LSU Tigers with a real chance in my mind to guiding them to the playoffs...my first time...if I was able to do so. I was able to get my games in...all 13...and went 6-7 and am now finding that I am being penalized for doing so as my winning pct is not high enough to make it. I have looked through the standings and I see guys that have only played 8 or 9 games total will be enjoying post season action. I got my games in because I love playing in this league and because Eberry you posted a while ago that finishing your schedule would carry some weight when it came to the playoffs...i guess that did not happen. Even worse over in the other conference a 2 win team is currently going to make the playoffs. I have not seen a season with over 20 teams that a team with a 6-7 record does not make the playoffs if everyone plays their games. I understand that there will be fft's but even with those there are games that are not being played between players who can still play but really why would they now as it might hurt their chances to make the playoffs as the seedings have been posted...not a great incentive to get games played if you really think about it, although i hope i am wrong. Anyway...I just feel that I did what i could to get better, played ALL of my games and am now getting screwed over for that effort in the end with a pat on the back and will now get to watch a ton of teams that did not make the effort and have less wins compete for the championship! Just my 2 cents worth...have a great day!
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Post by DbGt4226 on Oct 1, 2011 15:59:30 GMT -6
I dont think ND should be in because he's only played you EB in the last 2 weeks & idk how you got him to play I've texted & texted left messages & posted same w/ MSU they're both not active this season
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Post by starshaw on Oct 1, 2011 16:24:06 GMT -6
I don't think 2-1 OU should be in the playoffs.
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Post by fiddy on Oct 1, 2011 16:58:15 GMT -6
I'll wait to jump to conclusions until after the weekend... but there's a few things I don't particularly understand either.. My tie with USF hasn't been recorded.. but idk how to do that lol
Either way, Fombler, if you see this... for the love of God please contact me and try getting this game in...
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 17:09:52 GMT -6
Rowbo I understand your gripe, but there is no right way to do this. While you did play all 13 games, you didn't win half of them. Find another team in the playoffs that didn't do that. You can't. Now, it's kind of bogus that OU is getting in with a 2-1-5 record, but keep this in mind: how would you feel if you went 7-1-5 and beat OSU and then OSU went 8-5? By your theory OSU would be the higher seeded team even though you won 87.5% of your games and won the head to head mathup. It's an imperfect system I know, but until we come up with something better, that's what's we will use.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 17:32:41 GMT -6
I dont think ND should be in because he's only played you EB in the last 2 weeks & idk how you got him to play I've texted & texted left messages & posted same w/ MSU they're both not active this season He has 4 games left (one against msu who you just said isn't active) and you have 3 (one against msu as well)...where is there a problem with him being in?
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 17:33:50 GMT -6
I'll wait to jump to conclusions until after the weekend... but there's a few things I don't particularly understand either.. My tie with USF hasn't been recorded.. but idk how to do that lol Either way, Fombler, if you see this... for the love of God please contact me and try getting this game in... Not sure what you mean. Just double checked USF v WVU and it's entered as a tie...?
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 17:35:55 GMT -6
And rowbo I'm no longer driving so I can actually focus on trying to find a solution to the OU situation...what if we implement a rule that says you have to play "x" % of your games (not including the games against users that quit) in order to qualify for playoffs? Would that tickle your pickle in any way?
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 18:00:30 GMT -6
Here is a possible solution for 2 more cents...because this season was ruined by a few bad apples not getting their games in, it might be worth it to abandon the conferences and divisions and go with the top 16 teams overall that make the playoffs!? Also, FFt's don't count for anything as far as winning % goes so why not do away with the FFT's and Losses when it comes to figuring out the seedings and go with only wins...losses then FFT's can come into play for tiebreakers. At most any one team should only really have 3-4 FFT's which would still leave 9-10 games to have possibly won. maybe that would be incentive to get games in for those that still can who are sitting at 5 wins and need to get to 7 wins but are currently in the playoffs. Just a thought.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 18:15:36 GMT -6
I would go by wins, but I explained in my post above that a 7-1 team gets beat out by a 8-4 team. How does that make sense?
And ties aren't really anything but a reminder to myself to show how many games got ruined by people quitting...they had nothing to do with seeding.
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 18:22:58 GMT -6
Eberry...FFt's do have to do with seeding...if I go 5-2 with 6 FFt's then because guys didn't play my winning pct is high because I didn't have to play 6 games cause of douchebags not playing and get a higher seeding than 6-7 because guys who were honourable played their games...doesn't reward guys who play their games cause someone has to lose but tie's don't count...bs if you ask me.
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Post by fiddy on Oct 1, 2011 18:31:37 GMT -6
I'll wait to jump to conclusions until after the weekend... but there's a few things I don't particularly understand either.. My tie with USF hasn't been recorded.. but idk how to do that lol Either way, Fombler, if you see this... for the love of God please contact me and try getting this game in... Not sure what you mean. Just double checked USF v WVU and it's entered as a tie...? Touche, i just kinda assumed that since you didn't list the tie in my record in the playoff picture that you didn';t have it at all recorded... my b
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 18:32:42 GMT -6
Why not reward wins and games played...here's what I mean. If you take the current standings league wide with no div. and conf. a 20 team playoff would look like this...
Team Wins Games Played 1. PSU 8 10 2. Auburn 8 9 3. Boise 7 10 4. Ohio St. 7 9 5. LSU 6 13 6. WVU 6 11 7. Clemson 6 9 8. GT 6 8 9. VT 5 12 10. UNC 5 9 11. Miss ST 5 8 11. TAMU 5 8 11. Florida 5 8 14. Georgia 5 7 14. FSU 5 7 14. TCU 5 7 14. Nebraska 5 7 18. ASU 5 6 19. Michigan 4 9 19. Notre Dame 4 6
Tiebreakers would be needed for 11, 14 and 19 and some could move up by getting some final games in...aka incentive.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 18:33:20 GMT -6
Best predictor of what you will do in the future is to look at what you've done in the past. If someone has gone 5-1 to start a season, the most probable record that he will have for the next 6 games is 5-1.
Now you're probably like wtf does that have to do with this? Well, say I'm 6-0 and through random ppl quitting, I can't play any more games. You go 7-5 and are finished with your schedule. Why would you penalize the guy who is undefeated by placing him lower than the guy who went 7-5 even though he had no control over how many games he played...even if you played it as conservative as you can and said all FFT's count as half win/loss, I would still have a 9-3 record, which is better than your 7-5...I just think winning percentage (with a cutoff like a mentioned before) is the best way to go.
Another analogy...if ford made 20 million dollars this quarter and my small business made 19 would you say that ford had a more successful quarter than me simply because ford made $1 mill more soley due to the fact that ford is 20 times my size?
Quality>quantity amigo.
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 18:35:43 GMT -6
I would go by wins, but I explained in my post above that a 7-1 team gets beat out by a 8-4 team. How does that make sense? And ties aren't really anything but a reminder to myself to show how many games got ruined by people quitting...they had nothing to do with seeding. It makes sense because the 8-4 team played 12 games to the 7-1 teams 8 this putting their necks on the line for a loss 4 more times than the 7-1 team. Reward those that PLAY maybe then seasons would get done and getting games PLAYED would mean something.
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 18:41:02 GMT -6
Best predictor of what you will do in the future is to look at what you've done in the past. If someone has gone 5-1 to start a season, the most probable record that he will have for the next 6 games is 5-1. Now you're probably like wtf does that have to do with this? Well, say I'm 6-0 and through random ppl quitting, I can't play any more games. You go 7-5 and are finished with your schedule. Why would you penalize the guy who is undefeated by placing him lower than the guy who went 7-5 even though he had no control over how many games he played...even if you played it as conservative as you can and said all FFT's count as half win/loss, I would still have a 9-3 record, which is better than your 7-5...I just think winning percentage (with a cutoff like a mentioned before) is the best way to go. Another analogy...if ford made 20 million dollars this quarter and my small business made 19 would you say that ford had a more successful quarter than me simply because ford made $1 mill more soley due to the fact that ford is 20 times my size? Quality>quantity amigo. Anyone can win on any given day so actually playing the game is fact...not playing is hypothetical. Tell you what Eberry...if I jump out to a 7-0 start next season I will stop playing and make the playoffs automatically instead of going 7-5. Your Ford analogy has nothing to do with this league so I will disregard it altogether.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 18:44:23 GMT -6
And when we have an entire league that actually plays their games this won't even be an issue. It was a fluke that you were the only one without a FFT this season while someone like OU had 5.
And I like your list besides the fact you and Michigan are only teams with losing records and all 4 teams you lost to are ranked behind you...find another team outside of the very top (outliers in terms of winning percentage) and you won't be able to I assure you.
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 18:50:21 GMT -6
And when we have an entire league that actually plays their games this won't even be an issue. It was a fluke that you were the only one without a FFT this season while someone like OU had 5. And I like your list besides the fact you and Michigan are only teams with losing records and all 4 teams you lost to are ranked behind you...find another team outside of the very top (outliers in terms of winning percentage) and you won't be able to I assure you. It wasn't a fluke Eberry...I had Arkansas as an FFT but when you replaced their coach I sought the new guy out to play our game. He has been available to whomever wanted to play him and it seems only 1-2 people did. Also, the fact remains that of those that have winning records right now and have 5 wins who's to say that if they did play their games they wouldn't lose and not make the playoffs altogether?! This season was an anomoly but it's pretty crappy when only 6 teams out of 40 got 10 or more games in.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 18:59:41 GMT -6
Yea it was. Aside from you picking LSU nothing you did this season was under your complete control. You very easily could have been in a different division, had different non-conference opponents, pcross could've taken over Stanford, the spurrier division could have had 4 people quit during the season...you see where I'm going? I appreciate your effort to get games in, but you were lucky compared to everyone else to even have the chance to get 13 games in the first place.
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 19:06:24 GMT -6
Yea it was. Aside from you picking LSU nothing you did this season was under your complete control. You very easily could have been in a different division, had different non-conference opponents, pcross could've taken over Stanford, the spurrier division could have had 4 people quit during the season...you see where I'm going? I appreciate your effort to get games in, but you were lucky compared to everyone else to even have the chance to get 13 games in the first place. Holy shit Eberry are you serious!? It was work ethic on my part. Take a look at all the unplayed games there are left. I just did and there are a ton there between teams that CAN play their games yet I haven't seen games being played or attempted to be played in the past day or so. There is no incentive to play cause you have placed the gold star on winning % so why should they play!? Take control Eberry and get these games played or start handing out FFL's so winning percentage can be accurate.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 19:15:31 GMT -6
Did you not read my message? Without people that drop off like flies, the FFT's won't be an issue.
I refuse to make a rule based off a season where there were like 100 games cancelled due to people quitting.
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 19:20:57 GMT -6
Did you not read my message? Without people that drop off like flies, the FFT's won't be an issue. I refuse to make a rule based off a season where there were like 100 games cancelled due to people quitting. Hey Eberry...How about this rule...MAKE people PLAY their games!! Here are the games 4 out of the 5 teams ahead of me in my division have left to play...these are ALL playable... Georgia - Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, Ole Miss, TAMU, South Carolina Miss State - Florida, Arkansas, Okla. St., Alabama, Ole Miss TAMU - Auburn, Georgia, Arkansas Florida - Miss. St., Georgia, Auburn Arkansas These guys all have 5 wins and these games are playable and aren't FFT's what are you gonna do here...I guess 6-7 might just make the playoffs after all...The FFT's are a crutch Eberry be the Prez and make guys get their games in...your winning % is making guys gunshy and complacent...Make them play or they can get an FFL!
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 19:49:21 GMT -6
Who said i wasn't giving out FFL's?
The playoff picture was a snapshot as of this afternoon. The season wasn't over, so no FFL's are present because THE SEASON IS STILL GOING. Why would it make sense to hand out FFL's when they still have time to play games tonight and tomorrow?
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 19:59:18 GMT -6
Who said i wasn't giving out FFL's? The playoff picture was a snapshot as of this afternoon. The season wasn't over, so no FFL's are present because THE SEASON IS STILL GOING. Why would it make sense to hand out FFL's when they still have time to play games tonight and tomorrow? I never said you have to give out FFL's now but you were giving me analogies and every way possible why I shouldn't have a beef about your currently proposed playoff seeding and I was just coming back with why I can still make the playoffs and that FFT's really don't have a big impact on how the seedings might be on my side of the bracket. Instead of going on about FFT's and woe is the league this season why not send out a statement about guys getting the games they can play in or FFL's WILL be handed out. All of the games I listed for the teams in just my division CAN be played and have a HUGe impact on playoff seedings or whether they get in at all. Do you really think that all the games I listed will get played by tomorrow? Based on the activity I have seen during the last 3-4 days i highly doubt it specially when guys are watching college football now and NFL is on tomorrow. I am just saying you had better have a fair and legitimate plan going into the playoffs once the season ends for how the playoffs and the seedings are determined so the league doesn't suffer.
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Post by Eberry on Oct 1, 2011 20:30:06 GMT -6
Only things I do for this league are fair rowbo...you should know that by now
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Post by rowbo73 on Oct 1, 2011 20:34:37 GMT -6
Only things I do for this league are fair rowbo...you should know that by now But yet still no announcement for guys with games left to play to get them in...if things are the same 24hrs from now are you gonna say that the playoff seedings you posted earlier are fair?
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