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Post by Kent on Apr 3, 2009 6:48:10 GMT -6
This song is dedicated to the guy that has Scylz known only as Scylth.
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Post by Thurman Murman on Apr 3, 2009 7:12:30 GMT -6
this is a good song. but what is it about, scylth? our english teacher actually told us.
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Post by scylth on Apr 3, 2009 20:37:14 GMT -6
Haha, a great couple of songs. Paul Simon is one of the great "classic"song writers of our time. Thurman, I would like the name of that teacher. He is not supposed to be slipping you guys that kind of info.
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Post by Thurman Murman on Apr 3, 2009 23:17:17 GMT -6
She said that the song was about this chick that got attacked in NY, then the attacker left her. Then came back and attacked her again. No one in her apartment complex called the cops or anything even though they knew what was happening. Third time the attacker comes back, beats up the chick and rapes her. Chick gets killed and the ppl in the apartments just watched. They didn't call the cops til 30 minutes after everything happened. Pretty sad and messed up. How is this stuff bad scylth?
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Post by scylth on Apr 3, 2009 23:28:56 GMT -6
I didn't know that was what the song was about. And, I remain skeptical that it is true. Not skeptical enough to look it up, but skeptical.
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Post by scylth on Apr 4, 2009 5:04:50 GMT -6
Ok, I googled it a bit and found nothing in support of your English teacher's "theory." Why don't you cut and paste this, print it, and give it to her. Tell her there is an old man on the internet accusing her of being a misinformer and requesting of her to point to the place in these lyrics that lead her to interpret them in such a bizarre way. About an attack on a woman? Where in these lyircs does she find that?
Hello darkness, my old friend, Ive come to talk with you again, Because a vision softly creeping, Left its seeds while I was sleeping, And the vision that was planted in my brain Still remains Within the sound of silence.
In restless dreams I walked alone Narrow streets of cobblestone, neath the halo of a street lamp, I turned my collar to the cold and damp When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of A neon light That split the night And touched the sound of silence.
And in the naked light I saw Ten thousand people, maybe more. People talking without speaking, People hearing without listening, People writing songs that voices never share And no one dared Disturb the sound of silence.
Fools said i,you do not know Silence like a cancer grows. Hear my words that I might teach you, Take my arms that I might reach you. But my words like silent raindrops fell, And echoed In the wells of silence
And the people bowed and prayed To the neon God they made. And the sign flashed out its warning, In the words that it was forming. And the signs said, the words of the prophets Are written on the subway walls And tenement halls. And whispered in the sounds of silence.
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Post by scylth on Apr 4, 2009 5:39:43 GMT -6
Paul Simon's take on his own song:
"Really the key to 'The Sound Of Silence' is the simplicity of the melody and the words, which are youthful alienation. It's a young lyric, but not bad for a 21-year-old. It's not a sophisticated thought, but a thought that I gathered from some college reading material or something. It wasn't something that I was experiencing at some deep, profound level - nobody's listening to me, nobody's listening to anyone - it was a post-adolescent angst, but it had some level of truth to it and it resonated with millions of people. Largely because it had a simple and singable melody."
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Post by Thurman Murman on Apr 4, 2009 10:38:11 GMT -6
Blame the teachers right. That's what everyone does. She said that they (Simon and Garfield lol) found the story in the newspaper and were so outraged that no one tried to help the chick that they wrote the song. In the third verse you can see it.
"Ten thousand ppl maybe more." - All the people in the apartment complex "Ppl talking without speaking." - All the people knowing what was going on, but not doing anything. The same goes for the next 2 or 3 lines. "No one dared disturb the sound of silence." - None of the people called the cops or anything.
In the second stanza you can see it as well.
"Narrow streets of cobblestone." - chick was walking from parking lot to apartment. "Neath the halo of a streetlight." - still freakin walking. "I turned my collar to the cold and damp." - she saw the dude coming towards her. "when my eyes were stabbed by the flash of" - attacker attacks here. even says stabbed in there lol "a neon light that split the night." - reflection of the knife from the streetlight, and it broke the night and made it pretty damn crappy for her.
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Post by scylth on Apr 4, 2009 14:09:48 GMT -6
Thurman, you teacher is wrong. Did you see the quote from the freaking songwriter, himself, that I posted above? The song writer, himself, says it has nothing to do with any attack on a woman.
And Thurm you say that you are smart and that you do well in school, and I believe you on both counts. But that kind of interpretation of poetry is totally unwarranted and dishonest. You can't start out with some outlandish explanation and then try to find some vague references and then try to tie them to your specific theory. That is dishonest study.
An example of this is when you quote "narrow streets of cobblestone" and say that is about a chick walking from a parking lot. Where is the chick mentioned? She is not. In fact in the line right before it he says"in restless dreams I walk alone." What does he walk? "Narrow streets of cobblestone." In other words, "In restless dreams I walk alone, narrow streets of cobblestone" is obviously and unmistakenly talking about he, the poet, walking the streets of cobblestone. But, because someone has put some strange thought in your head, you would "interpret" that as talking about a chick walking from a parking lot? You are better than that Thurm. I am not saying don't listen to your teachers, but I am saying don't believe everything they propose.
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Post by scylth on Apr 4, 2009 14:19:36 GMT -6
And another thing. "They" did not come up with ideas for songs or write songs. All those songs were written by Paul Simon, and he alone.
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Post by Thurman Murman on Apr 4, 2009 15:54:55 GMT -6
You should be a teacher old man.
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Post by scylth on Apr 4, 2009 18:36:47 GMT -6
Thank you for being open minded and listening to my point of view.
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Post by Thurman Murman on Apr 4, 2009 19:34:48 GMT -6
And the "vague interpretation" lol. That's how kids are, it's all about doing good enough for class ya know. I get all As and stuff, but it doesn't have to be perfect, good enough is good enough, ya know. I bet your boy James is just like me. Lazy, wants to play video games all day, hates homework.
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Post by scylth on Apr 4, 2009 20:53:37 GMT -6
Yes on the lazy, wants to play video games, and hates homework. Unfortuantely, though, he doesn't get A's. Or B's. He struggles to get Cs. Well, I guess I can't say he struggles to get Cs because I am sure he could do reasonably well if he put any effort into it. Hopefully the threat of getting removed from the baseball team will be enough motivation for him to get it going a little.
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Post by ZZhadow on Apr 4, 2009 22:40:06 GMT -6
I was an English teacher for 6 years and never saw a student honestly try to interpret anything. Thurm nailed it when he said they just do enough to get the grade. They really never understand anything. Shakespeare is beyond them all...
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Post by COFL President on Apr 5, 2009 15:39:57 GMT -6
Simon and Garfunkle are great...Paul Simon is a legend. Here are my top 5 Paul Simon and/or Garfunkle songs:
1. Mother and Child Reunion 2. Me and Julio Down By The School Yard 3. Cecilia 4. The Boxer 5. America
The thing I lvoe about Paul Simon is he makes great drinking music, surprisingly. You hear "cecilia" or "me and julio down by the school yard" at a bar and it just makes your night a good night
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