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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 16:24:03 GMT -6
A couple of points. This is one of my all time favorite songs, by one of my favorite all time bands. Mike Campbell is one of my top 5 all time favorite guitar players. Also, both my children were born in Florida, and still seem interested in representing that heritage. I had a long talk with my son about what the Confederate flag means to some people, and what it means to others. I tried to explain the right and wrong of it. The last verse of this song is fascinating to me. Honey don't walk out, I'm too drunk to follow. You know you won't feel this way tomorrow. Well - maybe I'm a little rough around the edges, Inside a little hollow. I get faced with somethings sometimes, That are so hard to swallow Hey, hey, hey I was born a rebel. Down in Dixie, On a Sunday morning. With one foot in the grave, And one foot on the pedal, I was born a rebel. Well she picked me up in the morning And she paid out my ticket. Yeah she screamed in the car And threw me out in the thicket. Well - I never would've dreamed, That her heart was so wicked. Oh - but I keep coming back, 'Cause it's so hard to kick it. Hey, hey, hey I was born a rebel. Down in Dixie, On a Sunday morning. With one foot in the grave, And one foot on the pedal, I was born a rebel. Even before my father's fathers, They called us all rebels. Burned our cornfields, And left our cities level. I can still see the eyes Of those blue bellied devils, When I'm walking round tonight Through the concrete and metal. Hey, hey, hey I was born a rebel. Down in Dixie, On a Sunday morning. With one foot in the grave, And one foot on the pedal, I was born a rebel.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 16:28:47 GMT -6
I'm so lost right now. What is his theme song? You post reads "Kent's theme song?". When I read that I figured you had a song for us to listen to. Instead, you have a paragraph about rebel flags and telling your son whta the meaning of it is. Please explain b/c I am dumfounded by this situation.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 16:34:14 GMT -6
Click on the link to the music video. Maybe that will clear some things up? Let me know. I am pretty high, I may have just totally screwed up lol.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 16:35:27 GMT -6
Don't you see the link to the song, and the lyrics below the link?
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 16:40:00 GMT -6
We don't do "links" in the COFL, we make them video's b/c we are too lazy or our computers are too slow to have another page pop up for a video.
Anyways...why is it kent's theme song? Nowhere in there did you explain as to why it is his song. I'm deeply disturbed by this and need to know the answer to my questions. Thank you very much.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 16:42:28 GMT -6
Will it play for you like that? Becuase when I click on it it says "embedding disabled upon request" and I can't see the dang video. That is why I had to put it as a link. I tried it the way you have it now, but it doesn't work. Do you mind if I edit it back so that others may have a chance to see it?
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 16:57:19 GMT -6
Anyway, I changed it back to a link, because I don't think it works in that embedded format.
Why did I suggest it as a potential theme song for Kent? Well, for one thing, he is the only white guy in the COFL that I know of who was born and raised in Dixie.
I thought he could relate to some of the feelings the song and video represent. I know for me, that if I was a guy from Dixie I would have a confederate flag, and good feelings that the flag can represent.
I am an anti-racist, and I know people rightly ascribe some racist views to the respect for the confederate flag, but that is a very simplistic view and certainly not true of people like Tom Petty. There is something else there, very passionate. I thought Kent might relate. Or might not at all.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 17:04:22 GMT -6
Here is another song that I find simply extraordinary. Here, some of those same feelings are expressed in a more contemplative manner.
There's a southern accent where I come from The young 'uns call it country, the yankees call it dumb. I got my own way of talking, but everything gets done, With a southern accent, where I come from.
Now that drunk tank in Atlanta, is just a motel room to me. Think I might go work Orlando, if them orange groves don't freeze. Got my own way of working, but everything is done, With a southern accent, where I come from.
For just a minute there I was dreaming For just a minute it was all so real For just a minute she was standing there, with me.
There's a dream I keep having, where my momma comes to me. And kneels down over by the window, and says a prayer for me. Got my own way of praying, but everything one's begun, With a southern accent, where I come from.
Got my own way of living, but everything is done, With a southern accent, where I come from.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 17:18:54 GMT -6
Cool, I was just wondering why this is his song. you never explained it and since you are Scylth, I figured it would be something interesting and it is. Thank you.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 17:33:17 GMT -6
Here is something that is kind of interesting about the 1st video, but very sad. The Heartbreakers' bass player "singing like a bird" on those background vocals, later died of drug abuse. He looks so young and healthy in that video. Very sad.
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Post by Kent on Jun 12, 2009 18:39:16 GMT -6
I really cant respond right now The Most Interesting Man in the COFL, I am pretty drunk right now off of some even Williams 1783 10 year batch Kentucky bourbon.
There are alot of songs that are my theme song, especially on the southern topic.
This is the first one that comes to mind, listening to this song while driving through the blueridge mountains at sunset is golden.
The main lyrics of note are...
"I can feel the concrete, slowly creeping Lord take me and mine before that comes"
"You can take a boy out of old Dixie land but you can never take old Dixie from the boy."
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Post by Kent on Jun 12, 2009 18:47:20 GMT -6
Here is another song that I find simply extraordinary. Here, some of those same feelings are expressed in a more contemplative manner. There's a southern accent where I come from The young 'uns call it country, the yankees call it dumb. I got my own way of talking, but everything gets done, With a southern accent, where I come from. Now that drunk tank in Atlanta, is just a motel room to me. Think I might go work Orlando, if them orange groves don't freeze. Got my own way of working, but everything is done, With a southern accent, where I come from. For just a minute there I was dreaming For just a minute it was all so real For just a minute she was standing there, with me. There's a dream I keep having, where my momma comes to me. And kneels down over by the window, and says a prayer for me. Got my own way of praying, but everything one's begun, With a southern accent, where I come from. Got my own way of living, but everything is done, With a southern accent, where I come from. Johny Cash takes this song to a whole nother level. One of my all time favorites. Wow Scylth, I am very suprised you actually get this being a yankee and all.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 18:50:56 GMT -6
That is a good song. I really like Lynrd Skynrd. One of the reasons they were branded by some as a racist band, was because they flew the confederate flag in a big way. I just don't think that is right.
I don't think the confederate flag should be stripped away from southern heritage just because some on both sides of the "flag issue" are narrow minded.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 18:53:17 GMT -6
Haha, Johnny Cash's version of that song was one I considered putting on here. I thought it would be too rough sounding for most. I think it is great, but, really, Tom Petty's live version is it for me.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 19:06:28 GMT -6
Oh, I am a yankee alright. I am yankee through and through. But I do have an interest in the South, probably instigated by a love of the music.
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Post by Kent on Jun 12, 2009 19:08:55 GMT -6
Here is my take on the rebel flag, you might be surprised.
Originally that flag was considered by everyone all over the nation as a southern symbol and not a racist symbol. But in the mid 50's during the civil rights movement every state government in the south adopted the rebel flag as their symbol against the civil rights movement.
The states of Georgia, Mississippi, Arkansas and several others put the rebel flag in their state flag to make a political statement against the civil rights movement. Mississippi still has the rebel flag in their state flag to this day, Georgia changed it in 1996 to a new one and now has changed it to what it was before the 1950's.
That flag is now a racist symbol because of what our state governments used it for during the civil rights movement, personally I don't need a flag to symbolize what being a southerner is and I know fully well that the rebel flag now represents racism, weather white people from the south recognize it or not, that flag was turned into the symbol it is today from the civil rights movement.
There are actually several other civil war flags that people can wave around if they feel they need to that gets their message across, that it's heritage and not hate, but for me the stars and bars or rebel flag is a hate flag today, thanks to our state government for that one.
I have gotten in several debates over this topic with guys from Georgia and usually it ends up in a yelling match.
By the way I still think it is just crazy that only 50 years ago black people did not have the same rights as white people, that really is messed up.
Thank god for people like Martin Luther King jr, he was one of the greatest Americans to ever live in this nation.
But remember scylth, I am a liberal down here in red country and most southern white guys have a different view on this subject than I do.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:09:37 GMT -6
Whenever I hear The Band I think of the south. Levon Helm is amazing, best voice ever. My favorite song of all time is The Weight by The Band. I can listen to it forever.
Skynard is amazing. "Gimme two steps" is a great tune. My FAVORITE Skynard song is "Ballad of Curtis Lowe". If you've never heard it, school yourself on it b/c it's amazing.
The Most Interesting Man in the COFL, if you like Skynard, you will like a young band called Kings of Leon. I talk about them all of the time. Here is a song just for you b/c I think it has you written all over it. Just listen to it and enjoy.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:16:10 GMT -6
In fact, I'm about to smoke a fat bowl and listen to the songs you guys posted.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 19:17:47 GMT -6
Wow, The Band is one of my all time favorite bands. Have you seen the movie, "The Last Waltz," which is a movie about their last concert? I have it in Blue Ray and it is amazing. I think it was made in 1978 or something. Dylan shows up, Clapton, Van Morrison, Neil Young, and a bunch of others, it is really cool.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:19:13 GMT -6
Hell yeah i've seen the last waltz, amazing!!! Here is the best version of this song.
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Post by Kent on Jun 12, 2009 19:22:05 GMT -6
Something you might find interesting The Most Interesting Man in the COFL,
My great great great granddad and his brother died in the battle of Atlanta in the summer of 1864.
They are both buried in Grant Cemetery in Atlanta, the famous golfer, bobby Jones is buried in that cemetery too.
It is easy I guess dealing with the civil war topic when your from the north, or the good guys side of it, but when your from the bad guys side of it and you had family that died and towns destroyed you see it just a little bit different.
My great great great granddad didn't own slaves either, he had a farm in what is now Roswell Georgia, his entire family lived there and after the war his wife and my great great grand mother (His daughter) lived there. When she got married they built a house on that land and my Great Grandfather was born there and his wife and him had my grandad in the same house in 1912. Today that land sits right next to where present day Roswell High school is.
My granddad sold his share of land in 1947 when he got back from WWII, probably the dumbest thing he ever did was sell that land back then.
Alot of southern soldiers didnt own slaves or where for slavery, they didnt even have an education, most of them were farmers and were told to fight for their homes. Most of them had no idea about the polotics behind the war, hey, alot like today's soldiers.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:26:03 GMT -6
great story kent, very damn interesting.
Here is a story for you. My grandpa's brother died in WWII by a shark attack in Hawaii. You believe that? Crazy shit. In probably the deadliest war, he dies by a shark attack.
Speaking of WWII, any of you seen Band of Brothers? If you haven't, best series ever. HBO did it. Its the best, i've watched over 100 times and know all the characters names.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 19:29:34 GMT -6
Yeah, Robbie Robertson found 3 very unique voices in Richard Manuel, Levon Helm, and especially, in my opinion, Rick Danko to put emotion to his music and words. That Garth guy who plays organ is pretty darn good, and Robbie Robertson's guitar playing is a favorite of mine.
Speaking of the song The Weight, I have played that song with so many different people so many times it is amazing. I am actually pretty darn tired of it, and have been for a long time. But, that is my own fault, it is one of the best songs ever.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:31:41 GMT -6
The Weight makes me just want to drive across american and enjoy the scenery. I'd take pictures and video's of all the sites and sounds of american. I would make a video too with The Weight playing in the background. How sweet would that be.
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Post by scylth on Jun 12, 2009 19:36:39 GMT -6
It is easy I guess dealing with the civil war topic when your from the north, or the good guys side of it, but when your from the bad guys side of it and you had family that died and towns destroyed you see it just a little bit different. Kent - I recognize that I am pretty removed from it, but this is kind of what I am talking about. That first video of the Heartbreakers had a huge confederate flag on stage, and then Petty wraps himself in another one. That must have been about 1985 at the earliest. I don't think he is a racist or was expressing any racism in any way, yet he obviously was showing affection for the stars and bars.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:37:56 GMT -6
The Most Interesting Man in the COFL, what about Albert Hammond? You remember this guy? I am only 26, but this song is great
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Post by Kent on Jun 12, 2009 19:40:47 GMT -6
The Weight makes me just want to drive across American and enjoy the scenery. I'd take pictures and video's of all the sites and sounds of American. I would make a video too with The Weight playing in the background. How sweet would that be. Pete, when I get a job and things are back to normal for me, I am getting my Harley and taking a road trip on route 66 from Illinois all the way to California and I am staying on route 66 the entire trip. I want to do this before that road is completely destroyed, some of the best scenery America has to offer is on that highway my friend.
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Post by COFL President on Jun 12, 2009 19:44:24 GMT -6
I'll do it now man. I need to. I always end up doing things that I feel that if I don't do them now I never will. If I do, I will come through your guys towns, but i'll need a place to crash at for a day or 2.
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Post by scylth on Jun 13, 2009 3:27:35 GMT -6
You are always welcome here Mr. President. We have all kind of fun activities. My son has a basball game most every day now unitl August, which kills most of the day time, and then there would be drinking, and smoking, and pissing and puking all over the place in the evening.
I am thinking Albert Hammond was kind of a one hit wonder? I didn't remember his name, but that is a very good song.
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Post by scylth on Jun 13, 2009 4:49:31 GMT -6
I'll do it now man. I need to. I always end up doing things that I feel that if I don't do them now I never will. If I do, I will come through your guys towns, but i'll need a place to crash at for a day or 2. Here is some motivational / traveling music for you Mr. President. I am assuming that you know all about this guy:
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